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Our Technical Reality Part 1 of 6

... which would ...

... which would have been enough time to understand how it works. In terms of nuclear power plants... next to alternative power sources, they aren't really needed, but in order to get them working as efficiently as possible, we had the means to convert nuclear waste into Plutonium (which can be used as a power source for other things) since the early inception of nuclear power. And those are just a few examples. Look it up and educate yourselves in regards to our technological capabilities.

Solar panels were ...

Solar panels were invented in the 1950's. Had recycling technology been implemented globally, we could have constructed solar panels on the ground during the 1960's and 1970's, afterwards launching solar panels into space and using wireless means of power transfer (the technology was invented by Tesla over a century ago - he had a working prototype back then - and even if it was not understood fully, they could have taken a team of scientists, disassemble the thing and study it for a decade....

Things to keep in ...

Things to keep in mind though: Recycling technology was available on an industrial scale application in the early 20th century. So we could have created resource abundance from mountains of trash back then in terms of building materials coupled with heavy automation. Keeping that in mind, Geothermal power was also available in the earlt 20th century in terms of practical use. Coupled with recycling tech, numerous areas of the world could have been powered via Geothermal means by today.

I"m sorry I don't ...

I"m sorry I don't care what any society tells me....I am going to let my dog crap on any lawn he sees fit!

There was an ...

There was an experiment where they beamed power from one of the Hawaiian Islands to another. They only had the budget to do it once, and they did rather well. If they'd been able to try again, and again, and again, they'd have done even better.

I'm to new to this ...

I'm to new to this to give any informed opinions about communism, anarchy, or technocracy. As far as transhumanism goes, I don't see why, in a world of universal abundance (especially of energy) you wouldn't have as many cyberpeople as the tech of the day (and the dictates of fashion) will allow.

I"m sorry I don't ...

I"m sorry I don't care what any society tells me....I am going to drive my Cadillac Escalade and ride my Harley Davidson as much and as often as I see fit!

Technology isn't ...

Technology isn't the reason that The Venus Project is an utopia - politics is!

- renewables could ...

- renewables could have built themselves if they could match oil - windmills, solar concentrators could have been built in c19th; we had bicycles and electric trains, even today i do think private cars could be eliminated. (including using teleworking). I dont beleive renewables can match fossil-fuels. hydrogen fuel cell was invented at same time as internal combustion engine. Fossil-Fuels were like a lottery win. renewables are like low income from shit job.

When we have ...

When we have abundant, cheap, renewable energy, we need to get electric cars that can use this energy, and get off our oil drunkenness.

They didn't discuss ...

They didn't discuss actually getting those satellites in orbit........

That Powersat thing ...

That Powersat thing is brilliant. When will we see it in use?

"We are both ...

"We are both making assumption" You think the need to ration is an unfounded assumption I'm making!? lol if u took a basics economics course, u would learn differently. but does ur common sense really tell u that people will demand only what they do now if u made everything free!?!?!?! stop getting ur education from utube conspiracy movies and use textbooks instead.

Then we're both ...

Then we're both barking into the moon. We are both making assumption based on presently awailable information, while time moves forward and nothing remains the same. Time will tell who's right.

"TVP is not talking ...

"TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance" we already covered this. renting only works for a limited amount of goods that's y only a limited amount of goods r rented today. the overwhelming majority of things u consume r not rentable. even if u forced people to rent everything that could be rentable that still only makes up a small % of total goods. it does not eliminate the need to ration with money plus when renting is free people will rent vastly more

True, but if you ...

True, but if you looked more closely then you would see that TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance, which means you by definition don't have one of everyhting at home and if you needed something, say, a power drill, you go to library-like place and borrow it. What would mean in this example is that with EXISTING levels of production (but automated) access abundance can be achieved. You just take stuff, use it, and give it back to the "library"!

"and this will be ...

"and this will be my last reply to you" So your solution to the problem of rationing is to just ignore it despite the fact that the whole purpose of an economy is to ration. There would be no such thing as an economy if we didn't have to ration. And your solution to people who criticize this approach to problem solving is to ignore them too. So basically your solution to problems is to ignore them? Do you really think that is a recipe for improving the world?

in order to make an ...

in order to make an economy without private ownership work, u need to price everything u make based on total labor hours. (to make it relevant in 2011 terms, u can just multiply labor hours by $60). so a widget that took 2 labor hours to produce will cost $120 ur total production would then be added up and divided up among the population as income. this way demand matches supply view: watch?v=5U4e6ALxOhk view all 3 videos. he is a published prof. on how a computer can run an economy

"But it isn't ...

"But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about" DemandTheGoodLife(dot)com shows how to get more equal income in our current system by using taxes to pay everyone an extra $45k per year. but if u want socialism like what TVP wants where the means of production r not privately owned for profit, u still need to ration production. an RBE wont work because u will have shortages in everything, u wont have enough volunteers and a computer cant make subjective allocation decisions

"there are dozens ...

"there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods" dont u think it requires more than just dozens of people to change a country's economic system? dont u think u would get more than just a few dozen people if u had a better economic plan than just "screw rationing", everything is free, work only if u want to?

"You're awfully ...

"You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living" How does letting people "work their passion" do away with the need to ration!?! And do you think the need to ration just magically goes away because you are not fond of it!?

But it isn't equal, ...

But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about; about companies trying to profit by any means necesary, which in one turn means miserable salaries and on another - downsizing workforce. Essentially at the moment jobs are replaceable, but company greed will cause more and more automation, people only work in factories because it wasn't automated yet or company doesn't know it can be automated. Ask yourself, who will get laid off first when a company is in trouble?

Oh, and this will ...

Oh, and this will be my last reply to you, because you're not really worth my time. For every one of YOU out there, there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods for survival. In short, screw rationing. That's a form of slavery we no longer need to adhere too. If you don't get that, if you can't comprehend that, and if you can't see the obvious examples of that, then too bad for you. I'm not hand holding you through it. Laters.

You're awfully fond ...

You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living, and not have their work be a labor of necessity to survive & enrich someone else financially, but a work of passion to enlighten and enrich themselves & others around them. Open source free information sharing like Wikipedia, open source free software like Linux, Firefox, etc. Time banking (free), organic food give away programs (Toronto does this), etc.

Since the demand ...

Since the demand for labor far exceeds the available labor, money is a way to ration labor. You say you no longer need money because of a "Technical Abundance paradigm". Fine. Then tell me SPECIFICALLY how a "Technical Abundance paradigm" rations labor or does away with the need to ration labor. "The rest of the world is advancing past you." Tell me SPECIFICALLY where in the world a society is advancing towards running their economy without using money.