T-72 Autoloader At Work
it is true, the ...
it is true, the auto loader ram the arm of the poor crew man sometime?
In this thread: ...
In this thread: products of the Russian educational system. "intelectualy hummilated" you, did he? hahahah Why, did he teach you how to open walnuts without using your teeth or forehead? hahaha
"Which means the ...
"Which means the gunner looses PID (positive identification) after every shot." Wrong, the sight is independent just like in Leopard 2. The cannon goes exactly where the gunner is looking at through his sight after loading. - T-72M1 gunner.
"Which means the ...
"Which means the gunner looses PID (positive identification) after every shot." Wrong, the sight is independent just like in Leopard 2. The cannon goes exactly where the gunner is looking at through his sight after loading. ~ T-72M1 gunner.
Stop to load if ...
Stop to load if terrain is too rugged. Or at least slow down substantially. If the battlefield is not a smoothish one - forget fast firing with manual loading.
Stop for what, ...
Stop for what, exactly?
What I tried to say ...
What I tried to say was that it was made for smoother battlefields then rugged ones
Not really, it was ...
Not really, it was designed in the 70's and 80's to fight the Soviet tank armies in Eastern Europe. The fact that it never did that is a fluke of history, not design.
more often then not ...
more often then not they stop for that. That tank is more a desert tank then anything else.
Exactly. In case ...
Exactly. In case you didn't know, the terrain the Abrams was made to fight in as well as tactics of its use were centered on desert battles (relatively smooth terrain) and hull-down (stationary) fighting which dictated its design. Who is going to load the shells if the Loader suffers from contusion after a hit? Auto-loader doesn't care. For the conditions the M1 is made to fight in its perfectly fine, but it'd fail miserably if applied to Russian tactics. So would T-72 with US tactic
I don't have to, ...
I don't have to, the US Marines do that. ;)
I'm not sure about ...
I'm not sure about how it works in a T-90s gun sight but I heard (and its only a heresay) that on them sight itself is disengaged from the cannon in terms of that sight can maintain the aiming while the gun it reloading and automatically points to where the sight it aimed. My respect to you and congratulations on a good career :)
Let me see you load ...
Let me see you load heavy shells fast when running at high speed over rough terrain with tank constantly moving over all 3 axis :)
what sucks about ...
what sucks about auto-loaders is that the gun has to go back to 0 (zero) elevation after every round. Which means the gunner looses PID (positive identification) after every shot. Also, because tanks are on tracks, the crew isnt "constantly rocking, tilting, raising up and down at high speed" because tracks provide a smoother riding platform than tires, i prefer a human over machine main gun loading ANY day. Trackjack; 12 years M1A1 Tank Commander KFOR, OIF, OEF Vet.
looks like a smart ...
looks like a smart design
That would most ...
That would most likely be due to the fact that plenty of T-72s (From Finland to the USSR themselves) gave their T-72s more room for their crews. Normal T-72M was a death trap, followed by its much more sophisticated T-72A.
It's cool but it's ...
It's cool but it's still slower than loading by hand.
Good to have auto- ...
Good to have auto-loader. When firing on the move while on rugged terrain its a useful feature. I can't imagine even a well-trained loader get a very heavy round into a breech when the whole tank is constantly rocking, tilting, raising up and down at high speed. Sure human loader is faster in some instances but today a tank that stands still is a dead tank hence attacking maneuvering that Russians prefer.
The issue about the ...
The issue about the autoloaders tearing off arms has been massively exaggerated.but there was a indeed a major flaw in the design that could turn out rather nasty if a careless crew member tried to clear malfunctions. It happened a few times, but they corrected the problem in later revisions.
awosem russian ...
awosem russian desighn tec from 1972
Autoloader save ...
Autoloader save space and weight. it's also less prone to mistake compare to the human loader. there are cases where loader load sabot round when ask for HEAT round and vice versa. especially during long battle.
my understanding is ...
my understanding is that there are different modes of operaing. Before contact, Loader is head out as part of observation team. After contact, he drops down to service the gun when it is fired. He also, in many tanks, services the coax machinegun (the Gunner aims and fires it) The US M-103 in early 1960s had a 120mm gun with two loaders, so one would have his head out, the other would stay down to service the gun, with the "upper loader" dropping down to load the powder charge.
Probably.The ...
Probably.The loaders in T55s and T62s have asigned sectors as well.But these are their secondary tasks,and the primary tasks are those of roughnecks.They surely don't have much time to watch outside for threats. On T62 there is a loading augmentor,sth is visibly missing in the newest western tanks,considering that I see on the video.
In the Abrams he ...
In the Abrams he has a seat, a machinegun, and an assigned sector.
Actually the ...
Actually the autoloader is beneath the floor of the turret.You cannot even see it.The only part of it you can see is the catch disposing the non-combustable rear part of the bouder charge.And there is sth you're all missing-the recoiling gun places a much bigger threat to a noob than the autoloader